as interesting as the 1st race at jackson county was i thought i'd throw out some thoughts about the "new" changes with the track. i
don't feel like i am the only one baffled by the rules for the modlite class that are being tech inspected? after talking to several drivers and seeing
the tech inspection, i felt as if i was being highjacked (similar to the "no practice" fiasco that was introduced without warning) with the rule
enforcement. maybe i'm alone in this thought, but i couldn't help but voice my opinion ( rare for me!) i don't understand why the change from
last year (i didn't know of any complaints?) and why a track would mess with one of the largest classes that race for the lowest payout. anyway,
here's my 2 cents.
1. if a track is to run any rules, it should be announced (web site, on here) so that people can check their spects and have a chance to conform or choose
whether they would like to race there or not. we have several great tracks nearby and w/ rocky top being very willing to give us a good show and jackson, oh
running us i feel we have several great options avaliable that any track would love to have (19 cars at race time)
2. the rules should be consistant - measuring one thing one week and another the next and doing it before the race? that leaves plenty of time to change
whatever you need back to what you want it.
3. what if a ringer shows up? do they have to go through the entire tech inspection? other wise it's not fair to the folks that are there every weekend
that go through the multi stage inspection.
4. why go through the hassle and expense for a $200 payout to win? i haven't won yet and haven't been close, for the amount of money i spend to race
and the payout i get back, i don't think it's worth the hassle or expense to make sure i meet the tusa rules for no apparent reason. what does this
due for the racers that are on a tight budget? this class is for the guys that don't want the expense or high priority of the other classes and if i
wanted to be that serious about it i would run a mod car for the big bucks. most are in this class due to the laid back nature and fun that's to be had.
not to be so serious that it runs people off.
5. having the rules enforced by a non-partisian person. if we're racing tusa rules, then we should get tusa points and or they should be enforced the way
they were intended and written and by an inspector that does not have any affiliation to any driver.
now, i'm not big on complaining w/o having a solution.... here's mine. have the rules in place to be checked if there is a protest (protest meaning
the protester puts down $200 to go to the protestee if they are legal). the protester gets checked 1st. if the protester is legal, then the protestee, must
go through the inspection. if the protestee is legal, they get the $200 for their trouble, if not, they forfiet the race and the protester gets their $200
back. this is how most motorcycle races are run (all the way to the nationals, which we participate in every year) and some car races i have been involved
with in the past. this keeps any one particular person from getting out of control with the rules and keeps it fair to put in a protest for everyone. it also
makes it worth it to the people getting protested. this is just my opinion, i am not speaking for anyone but myself.
thanks david # 6m
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Posts: 9 (05/15/08 10:31 AM) |
Dave sounds like you have some good ideas on the rules at i-77,but it dosent matter what I think since from what I've been told I dont even drive my own
car! MATT HALL the yellow #9
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Posts: 192 (05/15/08 03:31 PM) |
I have raced here for 6 years and the track has always followed the tusa rules. up until 2 yrs ago there was a tech insp. but the guy who used to do it has
since departed.
This winter the new management of I 77 raceway park approached my father about making sure the cars that race in the dwarf,modlite class were all following the rules and keeping safety equipment up to date. Granted my father ownes a dwarf car driven by my brother. that does mean the tech is compromised in any way. Those of you who have raced with us thru the years know he is race car smart and completely honest person. Our two cars run bone stock motors right out of the bike no mods for performance at all . and are to the t when it comes to the tusa rules. if any one has concern with what the track has decided to do then the above post should have been emailed to the track promoters, and staff. Not an a message board that they probably will never see. Just some food for thought. A couple years ago i proposed a small spoiler on the back of the modlites for the look as well as mabey a little performance enhancement with the handling. A big uproar started saying oh hell no we only run strictly by rules on the tusa sight, all by the drivers not the track. Now we dont even want rules. Since there is someone willing to step up and be a spokes person-dvocate-tech for the class i think he should be suppored by the whole class. If you guys noticed the track a little rough last week my dad has already arranged for our feature to be ran before intermission with the chance for a better track, better racing for us. Of course that was something he negotiated with rocky for the benefit of the class. History repeats its self 2006 and 2007 I 77 Motorsports Park track champion 22 feature wins all without my family cheating for me JOE MCFEE |
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Posts: 72 (05/15/08 04:28 PM) |
joe, i posted on here because it would give the drivers the opportunity to agree or disagree before we get to the track ( i don't assume that i have any
voice for the class other than for myself) and i know that alot of the guys look on here. i am not in anyway claiming cheating by you or your family. i know
you are a great driver and have a great car (i followed you at a distance alot last year!). if i thought i was being beat due to rule manipulation or cheating
i would say so ( i think everyone knows me well enough to know that i say what i mean)(and i know I get beat by better drivers)... i don't care if i win or
for that matter, who wins. my concern is the greater good of our class and having fun. i don't think anyone in our class is cheating purposefully to win
(we have lots of different fast guys at jackson co.) and i don't think anyone cares about it enough to worry. this seems like it's a big deal and lots
of controversy over little stuff. i liked last year and had a blast, all i would like to see is it to continue to be laid back, fun, and low stress without
the worry of whether my car is accetable to what ever the tech is this week. if i am wrong and the only driver that thinks the tech inspection is a hassle,
so be it... i posted in the open so that everyone would know what i was thinking and saying, i won't talk about it or complain behind anyone's back is
all. and you, your brothers, and dad are good people to be around, i just don't agree with gray area of the tech. and after having a good (fun) year last
year, maybe i was spoiled by last year. if i have i problem with anyone in our class or anyone at the track, they can count on me addressing it with them
upfront ( i gave the guy running the track the what for? over the practice deal right away last week)... this post is about the rules and whether or not i am
the only one that doen't care to see them checked each week or not. if you or anyone else likes them, feel free to comment here and we'll have a
better voice (hopefully to better represent the class) at the track when it's not raining and we can race. btw - thanks to your dad for working for our
class at the track... i think it's good to have someone to talk to the track guys on our behalf.
thanks david also, my intention is not to be a trouble maker, only to voice my opinion. if i'm the only one. that's ok w/ me. i'll follow the majority and not complain either way. |
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Posts: 100 (05/16/08 09:15 AM) |
If the track runs TUSA rules then everyone knows what the rules are and ahere to them. If you are out of specification or breaking the rules, you will already
know it before the tech person even tells you. Stay in the rules and abide by them then you will have nothing to worry about. In my opinion if the tech
person notices a out of specification or rules infraction then it needs to be correct immediately, so everyone is in compliance that race night, not before you
race next week (takes care of the problem of out of spec cars that does not run there every week). If it is not corrected or ignored that night before the
heat or feature, then you are pentalized last place. I do not think the tech person should check for the same things each week, they should throw in different
things to tech each week so the racers will be within the rules for everthing, and not only the same things checked week in and week out. If you are running
the TUSA rules and there is a modification to them then it needs to be posted on the track website to everyone and anyone who is running or wants to run there
will know the rules with no suprises.
A must for rule enforcement and tech inspections is to be consistant and persistant every week to be fair and respected by all racers. This is a fun and enjoyable class to run and filled with great and personable drivers and families. I can't really say it is an affordable class but we must remember it is a hobby and something we enjoy doing and brings out the competitive spirit in us all. |
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Posts: 21 (05/16/08 03:11 PM) |
The Mcfee's are good honest people and the track ASKED them to help and make sure the rules are enforced. Quit your bitchin and race
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Posts: 30 (05/16/08 05:03 PM) |
Well said Tinyman I agree 100%
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Posts: 73 (05/16/08 11:18 PM) |
thanks for your opinions oldtimer and tinyman. please add your real name and car number to the post. i look forward to seeing you at the races at I 77.
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Posts: 37 (05/17/08 06:49 AM) |
Most of the cars are built by the chassis builders that wrote the rules so if you haven't really screwed with you car it should be legal. Dont soften
tires and they will be legal!!!!!!! Safety is safety replace old worn parts so everyone can go home and see their families at the end of the evening. The
thing I wonder about is the weight rule, so many different motors so many different weights. If you run a 1992 GSXR 1100 oil cooled 1127cc motor you would
need to weigh 1340 lbs, but a 2006 GSXR 1000 that makes more power only weighs 1240. Read the rules if it is not a listed motor you are considered an Open
Motor Rule. The weight really doesn't matter to me because my car is about 35 to 40 pounds heavy. Do you really want TUSA points I dont think it will
help the track or the drivers to get the points you have to buy a liscense and I think they are $50.00. The only real problem I have is the muffler rule.
You have to run a muffler at national events, but the rules say if mandatory at track. You guys have had the best car count in the area and now the biggest
worry is about a muffler, the other classes at the track don't run them why should ModLites? The late models run a touring series set of rules with
exceptions made by the track so it helps the local drivers, the track allows an open tire rule. If you think you are being shafted take your rulebook and get
Shon or someone else that runs the track and get their ruling. As for Bob Mcfee teching cars there is not a more honest man that could do it,he can tell you
what needs to be fixed and if its not a horrible infraction you will probably have a week to get it fixed. I have raced for 20yrs and if the rules violation
is not a major performance advantage people are allowed to run and given a week to fix it. Decide whats going on so someone can come and race and quit
fighting among yourselves it will only hurt the racing at I77. I will sign my name if you are worried about people who don't. 200+ career wins and 12
time track champion Robert C Stackpole II. Driver of the 31 and owner of the 95.
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Posts: 38 (05/17/08 06:53 AM) |
Decide what weight rule you will run and if we need a muffler. We need to add weight to the 95 car because Tyler County ran a straight 1240lbs for all cars. Please post these on here as our cars are almost done and we will be running for wins this year and not devoting every weekend at the same track.
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Posts: 74 (05/17/08 08:23 AM) |
bob,
thanks for the reply. #1 - i don't think i'm being shafted. (outside of safety belts running out this year, i am legal)(as far as i know?) #2. the rules are not on the website and no one has said what the track variations are to the tusa rules (my complaint) #3 i did not indicate in anyway that the mcfees are cheating. if anyone feels the need to be defensive, i can't help that. i posted what the vibe was in the pits last week to see what everyone (that actually races at I77) thought. i lookforward to seeing you guys come back to i 77 this year, last year you guys were flying around the outside groove and really added to the racing. thanks david #6m |
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Posts: 103 (05/18/08 04:06 PM) |
I agree with the statement of tinyman as well.
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Posts: 10 (05/19/08 11:24 AM) |
well i see where everyone is coming from, but i believe the track should have them posted on there website! We all can't just assume (cause you know what
that means) that the track is running TUSA rules. I also believe we should have a certified TUSA tech, inspecting the cars. I don't believe anywhere in any
of Daves words did he call anybody a cheater, liar or anything else to those standards. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! Last year was a great year for
I-77 in the dwarf car class! It seems like this year will be just as good considering there where almost 20 cars, and i seen quite a few new comers (including
myself). I may be new to driving but when it comes to racing its not my first rodeo, and if you wanna follow RULES, then post them to follow. I wanna see track
scales, certified techs, so on- so on. don't gripe about rules enless you can follow every one of the rules PERFECT!!
O YEA car number 19 TEAM DAGGER! 
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Posts: 10 (05/19/08 09:10 PM) |
any one needing information feel fre to call me phone me at1-304-437-1322 day time or 1-304-981-4029 evenings after6pm Bob McFee
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Posts: 75 (05/19/08 09:45 PM) |
bob, could you post the rules on here for the folks like bfbandit that plan on showing up to this race sat. can be prepared?
here's what's been established so far... 1. no muffler required 2. all cars regardless of engine size must weigh min. of 1240 at completion of race thanks david |
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Posts: 72 (05/19/08 10:33 PM) |
I think its been made clear the rules are TUSA rules with exception of no muffler and all cars must weigh 1240# after race. your making this much more
difficult than it needs to be. I think its great that someone is actually enforcing rules. Rules don't do you any good unless there enforced. Good luck
guys. TUSA rules are posted at www.t-usa.org
Richie Armentrout #21
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Posts: 11 (05/20/08 06:32 AM) |
Richie thanks for your support rules are just what you said Thanks again BobMcFee
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