thanks goodspeed but i had to change it from a 12 to the 11 im running now and sold the 12 cause we cant run them up here
i guess i should have keep it
i guess i should have keep it
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Texas Grand 09 Engine Rules Question
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Posts: 544 (10/28/09 06:11 AM) |
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Posts: 348 (10/29/09 02:35 PM) |
TxScott23,
What does this statement even mean??? I guess I will tell the guys that are competitive with their stock motors that it is just not possible and the $500 they spent on a ZX9 was a waste of money that they should have spent $2000 on a new FI. Everybody has different rules for a reason, they work for them. These seem to be working for us for the time being, so dont knock it! Just think your car count might have doubled if your guys only had to spend $500 on a competitive motor too! JMO. By all means tell whomever runs a 500.00 motor to come down and race at the Grand. The track is a small track and they will probably be competetive at that track but they still have to be stock motors carbed or FI. Frank 3x |
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Posts: 61 (10/29/09 04:15 PM) |
Frank
If you look a couple post up from mine somebody claimed we would have growth and not lose cars if we had a stock motor rule. I feel that our motor rule and our club growth are just fine! Our car counts and drivers speak for themselves. To answer your question my statement means that Lonestar's rules are set up so that the guy who only spends $500 is pretty much just as competitive as the guy who spends $4000. Why should he have to convert to another motor to go somewhere else to be less competitive, when there are plenty of motors available that we run that are more affordable than converting to FI. Our rules are set up for both of these individuals to be competitive. Most other groups are set up for the guy who spends the most money will win most weekends, because he will have the latest motor and the softest tires and the exact correct gear for each track. Our guys with stock carbed motors (including me because I have one of them in my 2nd car) and DOT's, dont stand a chance at the Grand or any other FI race with racing tires! That leads to the other big topic on this forum about the TX Series. In essense you guys are running your club and doing a great job. We dont jab at you and tell you what you should and shouldnt do to get your car count up. It is your club and your members decide what they want. Our club is the same way. Our members decide and they have voted each of the past 4 years for us to keep our motor rule the way we have it. Eventually FI will have to become a part of what we do. But until it is a necessity I dont see why we should pass on added expense to our drivers to convert when it is not necessary yet! As far as another post that said 15 of our cars would show up. I dont know who they would be because #1 we dont have 15 built motors in the club let alone 15 drivers that planned on attending. You guys are doing a great job putting on the Grand. I hope it is successful for the Texana group and all the drivers that are able to attend. Good Luck to all and hopefully we can come together on the other thread and make a TX race that is COMPETITIVE and will get a bunch of cars from both groups. Thanks Scott |
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Posts: 312 (10/30/09 01:04 AM) |
Just a thought, Dont make everyone switch to Fi but make it a option. Quite a few of the north guys i have talked to want Fi motors,
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Posts: 62 (10/30/09 07:09 AM) |
TXScott23 wrote:The group has to have a majority to change a rule. |
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Posts: 1393 (10/30/09 07:39 AM) |
TXScott23, You said "Most other groups are set up for the guy who spends the most money will win most weekends, because he will have the latest motor and
the softest tires and the exact correct gear for each track."
I am driving Bennys 2000 Pro with no changes at all to the frame, no spring bars, $1500 ZX10R (STOCK) and a 8 bolt rear end. I have won 4 in a row with the south bunch. Will not name names, but have spoke to at least 2 of the north guys that have $4000 plus in their engine. Might want to take MONEY out of your comment there. One of the tracks was Battleground in Houston. A big motor track and there where a couple of fast guys with ZX12's under the hood. I was geared way wrong and on the limiter about the flag stand. So really "spends the most money" and "exact correct gear" are not accurate statements. Might want to say "preperation", "experence", "skill", etc. I am tired of hearing all these guys telling me that money is winning my races!!! I have only built one motor in my career and I tried to tell you guys before it was not worth it and a waste of money and time, but alot of you dont believe me it seems. Bryan H |
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Posts: 547 (10/30/09 08:05 AM) |
hey five-0 you just getting in a car adds 20hp
grannys motorsports-sdr51
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Posts: 82 (10/30/09 02:42 PM) |
Might want to say "preperation", "experence", "skill", etc. I am tired of hearing all these guys telling me that money is
winning my races!!! I have only built one motor in my career and I tried to tell you guys before it was not worth it and a waste of money and time, but alot of
you dont believe me it seems.
Willie Veach Jr #41
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Posts: 63 (10/30/09 04:24 PM) |
Im not speaking of either one of you directly, because I have never raced with either one of you and dont know you personally. I will put it this way as this
is how it was told to me, the car or cars with the new right rear tire each week will have alot better chance of winning than the cars or cars that dont. Does
that not come down to money? 20 nights of racing at $70 bucks a tire equals alot more motor to the ground and alot more money spent! $1400 in tires sure makes
it seem that way to me! That takes nothing away from anybodies ability but not everybody has the same budget whether it be built motors or softer tires.
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Posts: 57 (10/30/09 09:38 PM) |
Scott I have used the same tire all year long, I do sometime put on a small tire for stagger. I have done well this year. The club leader uses his same tires all year long. I do know that the goodyear tires need to have a heat cycle on them or you will burn them up. |
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Posts: 34 (10/30/09 10:52 PM) |
Bryan, hitch a ride with Benny on Nov. 7th and drive his bully truck. I know our guys would like to race against a driver of your caliber. Grand Praire is a
fun and fast track.
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Posts: 313 (10/31/09 01:25 AM) |
Scott, Yes it was true in the past with the Modlites on Hoosier softs and big motors they where going through tires like crazy. They could grove and sip tires
and tear them up. Did not matter money played a part and the tires where 120$. Texana classics only allow you to grind them. I have duro the Goodyears after
each race and they are staying pretty consistent, 45 are from 45 to 48 and 50 stay at 50-53. I dont think there is that much a difference on the track between
the 45 and the 50. Like Joseph said you have to heat cycle them. Out of all the tires we bought we only have waisted 2. one from a wreck and the other we
burned off. Given what happened last year with the tires this has been the best step or club has made. That and stock motors.
And Willie is right It is all about the setup. Not Motor. He drove my car for 2 years and once we got it setup has been one fast mama jama. Its not the money you spend. To me its how you spend it. Andrew Cline has 6000$ into his car, Willie has about 8500, we have 6000$ in our 21, Bryan Henry im guessing has 6000$ and we are racing against some of the same cars you guys race with in the Lone Star group(Bully Trucks) and they have way more money invested in there cars,(not motors) cars, they do not steal the show at all. They like those cars and that fine, they are very clean cars, but the money they have spent dose not make them run up front. Greg and Andrew won most races last year. With a big difference in price of there cars. One thing was that big fat midget tire we where allowed to race on. |
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Posts: 439 (10/31/09 07:56 AM) |
How much you spend on a chassis is really up to you, I think it has been proven that any of them are competitive with the right driver and set up. Motors are
the real concern here. I installed a modern 1000 in a car three years ago for $1800, it is still in a car today, leading the championship, with no work at all
done to it. That is cheap, competitive, racing. There are some people who tear into these motors, spend a bunch of money, pop them, and get another one.
That is not cheap racing. Running anything built, carbed, or injected, will not be cheaper. Guys in the north and in the south bunch have proven this.
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Posts: 182 (10/31/09 10:33 AM) |
Yeah, no matter how you slice it, stock is cheaper. I have never run a built motor, from all the way back to the junk FJ1200's. They cost us a fortune
back then b/c it was the only engine option, and they were hare to find. It's great to have options now, and engines are easy to find. I have never paid
more than 1300 dollars for an injected 1000. They are the present and future of this racing class. The north group is obviously doing alot of things right,
b/c they have a great car count. But nobody can argue with a straight face that built motors are anywhere near as cost effective or reliable as the
efi1000's. Also, having built engines in a class does upset some poeple. It's too bad that we're not closer together on rules, there are so many
cars in Texas. Don't think that north cars will ever race with us, they don't need to.....or want to. I remember Eddie Bartell and the TDCA rules,
you were legal to run anywhere in the US, but not competetive anywhere. Now, the north group is not the TDCA, I know this, but the cars are restricted to
compete with their group because of the rules.
I have raced on street tires, hoosiers, and goodyears. Hoosiers cost a bunch to run b/c they wore out. The goodyears last about like street tires, and a new rr tire is not going to gain you very much, if anything. I also have ran the same tires all year long. I am another who would buy some street tires if I had to. Ok, done rambling, thanks. |
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Posts: 35 (10/31/09 10:11 PM) |
I don't get it! Your saying the people in the north are restricted by their rules. Your rules keep you where you are! Bottom line is that everyone builds
their cars to race in their association. All i have heard is that we are doing things wrong,blah blah this, etc. We are growing in numbers and none of our
members felt compelled to start a thread on how other associations motors,tires, etc. were not the way to go. We accept the fact others may do something
different and that is their choice. What is wrong with having different options so people getting started in dwarf car racing can have choices? Hopefully, a
race between the different groups will happen but the odds of that happening are slim with all the bashing going on between the racers. I hope every group
continues to grow and our sport fluorishes in Texas.
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Posts: 523 (11/01/09 02:35 AM) |
Okay....time for the truth....Sebie and Gary ran even with Mike Christians at Grayson. They ran with no obvious advantage per motors....built carbs vs stock
1000cc EFI. Mike was on Goodyears....I don't know what Sebie and Gary were on but I am guessing Hoosiers. SOOOOOO.....the argument should be over. No more
speculation or what will happen. It is simple and there are no excuses. Sebie and Mike were both in Peter D Bully Trucks too. So there is another even steven
comparison for you.
1240 minimum weight rule North run your motors South run your motors NO torque absorbing devices Run street, Goodyears or Hoosiers (your choice) 93 Octane There you have it. Schedule the races. Get it on....!!! |
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Posts: 65 (11/01/09 09:40 AM) |
Ok so I have 3 or 4 guys that say it doesnt make a difference and they dont change tires. Then where are the takes off coming from that have been offered to
members of Lonestar? If people are only running one set all year and only replacing when they get damaged, how are there take off to sell seeing as this is the
first year Goodyears have been run? That being said, who do I need to contact to get a new set of Goodyears for my other car?
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Posts: 183 (11/01/09 10:37 AM) |
I haven't seen any bashing on here, just a good discussion. Scott, I'm sure some guys have some take offs or spares, or whatever, I'm just saying
that I don't. Guess the ones that have offered them are the ones that have them. Mike Christians orders all of the tires. As for being restricted, I
guess I don't get it. Most of the country is running efi1000's. I could take my car anywhere and be competetive. I don't travel far anymore, but
I could. I'm not telling the north to change their rules, what they do works for them.
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Posts: 66 (11/01/09 11:44 AM) |
Do you know who won races in Texana and how many. We have our points set up so you can see the winners. Ex Sebie -4 Dom -3 Gene-2 etc. I would like to know who
won and how many races from Texana.
Thanks Scott |
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Posts: 84 (11/02/09 09:10 AM) |
NAME CAR# WINS
Willie Veach Jr. 41 5 Bryan Henry 115 5 Andrew Cline 19 4 Frank Fruia 3x 2 Greg Sexton 14 1 Joseph Snow 01 1 Sammy Veach 4 1
Willie Veach Jr #41
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